Ellipse and... go to bugs

Ellipse and... go to bugs - Is it one SMath bug? - Messaggi

#1 Pubblicato: 07/09/2023 11:05:14
Valery Ochkov

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My students were building a multifocal ellipse and... almost went crazy. My ellipse is correct, but the student's is incorrect. Although the formulas are the same.
Can you guess where the error is and whether it is necessary to modify SMath so that such an error is visible?
Do you know more some examples?
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#2 Pubblicato: 07/09/2023 11:47:49
sergio

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In fact only apparently the written formula is the same but in the first case "S" is outside the summation while in the second case it is inside the summation. You can verify this by copying and pasting the two formulas into a text editor.

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Valery Ochkov 07/09/2023 13:42:00
#3 Pubblicato: 07/09/2023 11:58:54
Arie

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Further illustrated by adding parenthesis around the summation in each formula

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#4 Pubblicato: 07/09/2023 12:00:34
Davide Carpi

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In fact only apparently the written formula is the same but in the first case "S" is outside the summation while in the second case it is inside the summation. You can verify this by copying and pasting the two formulas into a text editor.

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sergio



You can also select/double-click the sum symbol to check what belongs to it.

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#5 Pubblicato: 07/09/2023 12:01:59
Oscar Campo

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The problem is that in the first Ellipse(x,y) definition, variable S is outside Sum function, but in the definition of your students is inside:

Your definition:
Ellipse(x,y):sum(sqrt((x-el(X.F,i))^2+(y-el(Y.F,i))^2),i,1,N)-S

Student´s definition:
Ellipse(x,y):sum(sqrt((x-el(X.F,i))^2+(y-el(Y.F,i))^2)-S,i,1,N)


Maybe, this explicit form is most clear for students:
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Valery Ochkov 07/09/2023 13:42:00
#6 Pubblicato: 07/09/2023 13:43:13
Valery Ochkov

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Better so
S-Sum.png
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Davide Carpi 08/09/2023 06:52:00
#7 Pubblicato: 07/09/2023 14:24:15
Alvaro

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Better so ...



You can tell your students that you are using the Note under Example 3 of point 7.1.3 of ISO 80000-1:2009(E) Quantities and units, Part 1: General.

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#8 Pubblicato: 07/09/2023 15:28:30
Valery Ochkov

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It if Mathcad 15

1 ln(x)
2 ln*x - why not

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