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#1 Publicado: 14/10/2023 15:31:44
Valery Ochkov

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See please the end of the attached file.
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#2 Publicado: 14/10/2023 21:38:32
Jean Giraud

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See please the end of the attached file.


Triplet roots ... FindRoot not doctored.

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#3 Publicado: 14/10/2023 21:42:14
Martin Kraska

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The first error can be handled by wrapping the function in eval(). For the second one this does not help.

I take the opportunity to advertise the Maxima Fit() function.

It is explained in https://doi.org/10.25933/opus4-2949 chapter 6 (English) and in https://doi.org/10.25933/opus4-2948, chapter 9 (German).

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#4 Publicado: 14/10/2023 21:53:20
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And the Lord God created the function eval and the lord said this is good!
And the Lord God created the Maxima and the lord said this is sehr kompliziert!
#5 Publicado: 14/10/2023 22:52:25
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Hm, where exactly do you see the most severe сложности in the use of the Maxima plugin? Perhaps everything that needs a handbook is too complicated nowadays
I really like the curve fitting interface with the Fit() function, which might even be comprehensible from the подсказка in the dynamic help.
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#6 Publicado: 15/10/2023 0:19:13
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Hi. Polynomial fitting, returning the same values that Excel returns. From this post.

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#7 Publicado: 15/10/2023 14:35:01
Valery Ochkov

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Sorry!
But the question was Why not How
Why.png
#8 Publicado: 15/10/2023 19:51:16
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Sorry!
But the question was Why not How



Hi Valery. Martin showed why. But for the quadratic case Máxima's Fit function does not return the same result as Excel, which could be said to have been taken as standard, since they are also the same as those usually obtained with the 'all powerful' (talking about of gods) a\b of Matlab. I made the post to show how those mythical values can also be obtained in SMath.

Because SMath' solver isn't very powerful you can get those same values with your method using another, like the following one

Clipboard01.png

About the error vectorizing, you can see why taking a look of this

Clipboard02.png

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#9 Publicado: 15/10/2023 20:04:14
Valery Ochkov

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Sorry!
But the question was Why not How



Hi Valery. Martin showed why. But for the quadratic case Máxima's Fit function does not return the same result as Excel, which could be said to have been taken as standard, since they are also the same as those usually obtained with the 'all powerful' (talking about of gods) a\b of Matlab. I made the post to show how those mythical values can also be obtained in SMath.

Because SMath' solver isn't very powerful you can get those same values with your method using another, like the following one

Clipboard01.png

About the error vectorizing, you can see why taking a look of this

Clipboard02.png

Best regards.
Alvaro.


Send please sm-file!

#10 Publicado: 15/10/2023 20:48:34
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Send please sm-file!



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#11 Publicado: 15/10/2023 23:25:44
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There is not much sense in fitting functions with many degrees of freedom to data containing not much information. Any function which goes through the centroid of the data points will come up with a similar MSE.

Is the second result really the best just because of it's lowest MSE?

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#12 Publicado: 16/10/2023 0:33:28
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Valery, as it looks all doctored.
Thanks Alvaro for the robust Broyden.
Curious, Solver 30405 Slope/Intercept back on foot.

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#13 Publicado: 16/10/2023 1:06:59
Valery Ochkov

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And what about 3D fitting in SMath?

See please my old problem in Mathcad
http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/car/c_e.html

Online calculation
http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/MCS/Worksheets/old-car.xmcd

#14 Publicado: 16/10/2023 5:57:28
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The second and third fit aren't really robust (quite some dependence on initial guesses)


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#15 Publicado: 16/10/2023 12:13:21
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Wunderbar!
Send me please the M matrix as sm-file!
#16 Publicado: 16/10/2023 12:48:56
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And what about 3D fitting in SMath?

See please my old problem in Mathcad
http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/car/c_e.html

Online calculation
http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/MCS/Worksheets/old-car.xmcd



Another way, from the same previous post .

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#17 Publicado: 16/10/2023 13:45:10
Valery Ochkov

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Thanks!

But the last plot must be so
MCS-Old-Car.png

#18 Publicado: 16/10/2023 15:32:33
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Wunderbar!
Send me please the M matrix as sm-file!



The data is from your website. I copy-pasted the table to a new text file and imported it. Just use the files provided in my post.

As to the last plot: I guess the mileage limits of the individual lines are taken from the minimum and maximum slope observed in the age-mileage plot (fig.2 in your reference)?

Do you see any particular problem or do you just want the work getting done?
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#19 Publicado: 16/10/2023 18:38:46
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do you just want the work getting done?
Yes ;-)
#20 Publicado: 17/10/2023 0:58:58
Jean Giraud

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Global fit Cholesky
Frequently, you can manage the Phi vector for a best regional fit.

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