Solving an eqaution

#1 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 10:22:58

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Hello!
I have an equation (sphere and cubic Bézier curve intersection points): B(t) ⋅ B(t) = r², where dot means vector dot product.
B(t) is a cubic Bézier curve:
B(t) = (1 − t)³ ⋅ P0 + 3t ⋅ (1 − t)² ⋅ P1 + 3t² ⋅ (1 − t) ⋅ P2 + t³ ⋅ P3, 0 ≤ t ≤ 1
P0, P1, P2, P3 are some known points, к is some known value too.
Is it possible to solve this using SMath while keeping constants as letters?

#2 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 11:08:25

Jean Giraud

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Please attach your Smath document.
Bézier/Hermite ... lot in Smath.
Cheers ... Jean.

#3 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 11:49:13

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Please attach your Smath document.
Bézier/Hermite ... lot in Smath.
Cheers ... Jean.

https://ru.smath.com/cloud/sheet/ao2a4mLPSz
Well, not much in there, I don't know how to write the equation in it. I am new to SMath, and used only MathCAD a few times, like, 13-14 years ago...

#4 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 12:19:37

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Please attach your Smath document.
Bézier/Hermite ... lot in Smath.
Cheers ... Jean.

https://ru.smath.com/cloud/sheet/ao2a4mLPSz
Well, not much in there, I don't know how to write the equation in it. I am new to SMath, and used only MathCAD a few times, like, 13-14 years ago...

"Error. There is no Worksheet found."

Please upload your sm file to any cloud service a share the link

Regards,

Oscar

#5 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 12:24:03

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Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (10,28 KiB) scaricato 1268 volta(e).

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Please attach your Smath document.
Bézier/Hermite ... lot in Smath.
Cheers ... Jean.

https://ru.smath.com/cloud/sheet/ao2a4mLPSz
Well, not much in there, I don't know how to write the equation in it. I am new to SMath, and used only MathCAD a few times, like, 13-14 years ago...

"Error. There is no Worksheet found."

Please upload your sm file to any cloud service a share the link

Regards,

Oscar

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (10,28 KiB) scaricato 1268 volta(e).

#6 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 13:00:26

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Please attach your Smath document.

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (10,28 KiB) scaricato 1268 volta(e).

You must use Symbolic evaluation to solve your equation, additionally, you can use some plugin for this task (in my case I used the Maxima plugin).
Please see attached file:

Sphere and Cubic.sm (215,02 KiB) scaricato 1253 volta(e).

#7 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 14:21:28

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All those kind of symbolic solvings require either Maxima or Maple plugin as far as I know.
Every other smath solvers [solve(), roots(), FindRoot(), al_nleqsolve(), etc] are numerical solvers.
Could someone correct this statement if it is not true?

Regards

#8 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 14:33:35

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All those kind of symbolic solvings require either Maxima or Maple plugin as far as I know.
Every other smath solvers [solve(), Roots(), al_nleqsolve(), etc] are numerical solvers.
Could someone correct this statement if it is not true?

Regards

yes, that's correct, you can check the description of solve(), roots(), al_nleqsolve(), etc on the Interactive SMath Handbook

#9 Pubblicato: 15/09/2021 20:57:18

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Hi. In the attached how to solve the problem numerically. Notice that B(t) must to be defined using vectorize, because SMath don't expand the scalar by vector products.

Sphere and Cubic.sm (8,86 KiB) scaricato 1208 volta(e).

Best regards.
Alvaro.

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#10 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 06:43:49

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Please attach your Smath document.

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (10,28 KiB) scaricato 1268 volta(e).

You must use Symbolic evaluation to solve your equation, additionally, you can use some plugin for this task (in my case I used the Maxima plugin).
Please see attached file:

Sphere and Cubic.sm (215,02 KiB) scaricato 1253 volta(e).

There is missing «²» after second parentheses in your file. And I downloaded SMath and Maxima, but when I open your file, I get an error: «Cannot find maxima.bat».

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (3,77 KiB) scaricato 1293 volta(e).

#11 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 07:33:52

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There is missing «²» after second parentheses in your file. And I downloaded SMath and Maxima, but when I open your file, I get an error: «Cannot find maxima.bat».

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (3,77 KiB) scaricato 1293 volta(e).

Please refer to Maxima plugin instructions, you can find here

#12 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 08:18:04

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There is missing «²» after second parentheses in your file. And I downloaded SMath and Maxima, but when I open your file, I get an error: «Cannot find maxima.bat».

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (3,77 KiB) scaricato 1293 volta(e).

Please refer to Maxima plugin instructions, you can find here

OK, I've fixed the error, but now it says: «r is undefined». Sorry, it's really hard to understand what to do and I can't find any proper docs about it...

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#13 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 08:43:30

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I really don't get what's wrong now...

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#14 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 09:40:26

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I really don't get what's wrong now...

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (12,04 KiB) scaricato 1294 volta(e).

There is a missing "*"

#15 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 11:07:40

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I really don't get what's wrong now...

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (12,04 KiB) scaricato 1294 volta(e).

There is a missing "*"

Thank you! But what should I do with «r is undefined»? 🤔

#16 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 11:12:25

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Are you sure you are using the option "Symbolic Optimization"?

You must right-click over your equation, then choose Optimization-Symbolic

#17 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 11:40:06

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Are you sure you are using the option "Symbolic Optimization"?

You must right-click over your equation, then choose Optimization-Symbolic

Thank you very much! It worked! However, the roots are so long... Not sure I can use them... Thanks anyway! 😊

#18 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 14:52:16

Alvaro

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Hi. Notice that P0, ..., P3 are vectors with 3 components, not scalars. You can't get the distance with B(t).B(t) using P's as scalars.

Best regards.
Alvaro.

#19 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 20:16:44

Jean Giraud

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I have an equation (sphere and cubic BÃ©zier curve intersection points):

Didn't see the sphere ?
Bézier is a 2 D plot
I don't understand your project, will leave.
You can project Bézier as surface plot on the sphere,
at this point, all 'N' are roots.
Enjoy/ignore ... Jean.

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#20 Pubblicato: 16/09/2021 21:20:45

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Didn't see the sphere ?
Bézier is a 2 D plot
I don't understand your project, will leave.
You can project Bézier as surface plot on the sphere,
at this point, all 'N' are roots.
Enjoy/ignore ... Jean.

Not related with topic. Nice example to Bezier however no relation with question.
Seeing Bezier in question doesn't mean you can search your files and post your first match Bezier example.

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