Operation with units xy2pol

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#1 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 00:07:03
Basile

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The xy2pol looks that still has problems with units:
smath error 32.JPG
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#2 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 13:34:47
Jean Giraud

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#3 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 13:53:42
Basile

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Jean,

In your example:
The Magnitude (length) and The Angle (angle) in polar coordinates have different units. The rad is not a common unit. It is not correct.

In my example:
Look again please:
smath error 34.JPG

This was solved in recent upgrade by Andrey but apparently remains in the xy2pol.
http://en.smath.info/forum/yaf_postst7552_Units--Operation-cannot-be-performed.aspx

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#4 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 15:14:46
Jean Giraud

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Better be in harmony wth the maths and Smath.

There is nothing to look gain, Smath is OK.
The Magnitude (length) and The Angle (angle) in polar coordinates have different units.
For sure they have different units: one is in "UnitGraph" the other is in "rad"

The rad is not a common unit. It is not correct.

YES: rad is correct, rad is the maths unit in trig approximations as well as in official tables.
If you want °: convert by appending ° in the Smath result

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#5 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 17:22:05
Basile

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Jean,
1.
Please go previously and see the picture.
"rad" is the unit for both the magnitude and angle.
There is ONE placeholder for ONE unit.

The Magnitude (length) and The Angle (angle) in polar coordinates have different units.
For sure they have different units: one is in "UnitGraph" the other is in "rad"

The rad is not a common unit. It is not correct.

YES: rad is correct, [YOU JUST SAID THAT ONE IS LENGTH THE OTHER ANGLE!!!] rad is the maths unit in trig approximations as well as in official tables.
If you want °: convert by appending ° in the Smath result

2.
In this specific set of applications I have no interest in "numerical MathEMATICS". I use units. Thank you.

Basile
#6 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 17:38:16
Mike Kaganski

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@Basile,

Just show what you are trying to describe verbally

scrH53.png

Not that it would convince anyone who doesn't wish, though.
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Davide Carpi 07/06/2016 17:28:00
#7 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 17:52:10
Basile

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Mike,

The xy2pol does not work when units are included:
smath error 34.JPG
Do we agree?

When eventually it is working:
The units of the "Magnitude" and the units of the angle, (for the case of complex numbers here), will be different.

Note: I see you got W(att) how?
I see that you have a semicolon ( ; ) I have a comma (,).
Re(S);Im(S) versus Re(S),Im(S)

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#8 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 19:26:10
Alvaro

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Something like that?

z2pol.gif

Notice that atan2 ins't in SMath, which is more correct than atan for this functions (see http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/atan2.html for example).

Best regards.

Alvaro.
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#9 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 19:55:50
Mike Kaganski

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Wrote

Mike,

The xy2pol does not work when units are included:
Do we agree?



Yes we do

Citazione

When eventually it is working:
The units of the "Magnitude" and the units of the angle, (for the case of complex numbers here), will be different.



Yes, that's what I show in my screenshot, that uses ≡ instead of =, just to show the desired result: seeing is better than reading.

Citazione

Note: I see you got W(att) how?



Now I suppose it's apparent: Ctrl+= and manually make system with desired result

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I see that you have a semicolon ( ; ) I have a comma (,).
Re(S);Im(S) versus Re(S),Im(S)



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#10 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 19:57:34
Jean Giraud

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In this specific set of applications I have no interest in "numerical MathEMATICS". [Basile]

From A...Z, Smath is a numerical math tool as any other CAS and including your specific application.
xy2pol result is a vector of two components that need no unit as they are implicit. Extract each
component and append a dead unit decoration for clarity to yourself and the reader.
#11 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 20:03:39
Mike Kaganski

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Notice that atan2 ins't in SMath, which is more correct than atan for this functions (see http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/atan2.html for example).



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#12 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 20:58:58
Alvaro

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Hi Mike. I prefer this other, but have some round inconvenients:

Best regards.

Alvaro.

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#13 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 21:04:35
Mike Kaganski

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I guess that with the new try function samebody can make a good one atan2.



But with try, it won't differentiate again.
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#14 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 21:10:02
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I guess that with the new try function samebody can make a good one atan2.



But with try, it won't differentiate again.



Oh, I think that this happen only to me :-). Not very sure that try don't accept diff.

So, this with numerical optimization must to be the best solution (until atan2 not be in SMath):

Best regards.

Alvaro.

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#15 Pubblicato: 05/06/2016 21:24:33
Mike Kaganski

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It's a good option, and only ~30% slower.
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#16 Pubblicato: 06/06/2016 10:11:40
Jean Giraud

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Like this Alvaro: look for the Matlb code in the f(x) menu,
look for mwatan2 ... if you have in your version: then go

Jean

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